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  • 1 billets depuis
    May 13, 2012
    Rédigée le May 13, 2012 2:18 AM

    Hi ppl.I read on the net that 1.05 is the last firmware update for a77.They will release a99 or b99.Where we can claim that we paid so much and they give us some test products and on the end release new product.This is unfear.I will but all my lens,cameras,filters ect on ebay if this is last update.Canon 600d kit - 500 pounds shoot tethered and we still pleasing sony for basic fuctions and errors they make and fix??!?!?

    I love the body but iso noise is unaceptable for this price.fuctions limited.Some compact cameras have better software that this cheap test,sientific product.For shure they dont read here,they dont care about what we won.Please if any one have idea how to take they attention to fix not to make it better of the competitors (because abviusly i make a mistake all this years to spend my money in sony) just fix let men now.gimp69 5d mark 2 its history my friend.Little better dosnt mean anything!This camera is history.Thank you.

     

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  • fotowolf61 55 billets depuis
    Jul 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 13, 2012 10:58 AM

    I am also very dissapointed about the Sony product management handling the alpha DSLR/SLT product line.

    I really dont understand, why Sony sticks on a "fire-and-forget" product policy unless it really hurts their image or business. Also the competition is making mistakes. Accepted, but they do have a clear strategy to handle this and they immediatly communicate to their customers about issues and describe clearly what this issues are.

    I have never seen this with the Sony Alpha product line. The speak about it under disclosure to selected dealers about details of improvement or fixes. But the customer who paid a lot of mony for a A77 for example is left in the desert. Why? This is not necessary and does not build up confidence in a product. All the complaints about the Alpha line is related to this behavior.

     

    Many of the issues are plain software issues and I have the strong impression that I need to buzy the next model to get the software updates people asked for with a current product line. This currently hapens with to top models A65/A77. The new A57 has already a lot of improvements in the firmware, which is missing and people asked for now for 6 MONTH since release of the camera!!! The issues are not solved in these models but they fixed it in the next generation like A57 . WHY? Can anybody at Sony send me an explanation?

     

    I am in the software engineering business and I know what I am talking about, when it comes to software maintanance. Many things people asked for are easy thing to realize, even if a big organisation has a more complex process to handle this, it should not last 6 MONTH! This can be done within a  month.

     

    This is really one of the biggest issues with Sony equipment. I really entjoy the Sony Alpha hardware when it runs fixed and updated firmware! I am a Sony Alpha customer now since 2008 and currently use an A850 and A77. Before I had an A200, A700, A33 and a NEX3.

     

    I hope somebody responible for this imaging division from Sony is reading the customer concerns and rething aboutn their strategy.

     

    Thank you.

     

    BTW: The A57 is really a great camera in its class, but it will be even better, when you start opening AF-adjustoments in the firmware menu. This really would make a lot of sense, as the firmware internally can handle up to 20 lenses. So there is really no reason, why this artificial limitation exist.


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  • gimp69 80 billets depuis
    May 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 14, 2012 4:43 PM

    High ISO noise is only a problem if you don't know how to use RAW.  I guess you don't shoot RAW.


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  • gimp69 80 billets depuis
    May 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 14, 2012 4:45 PM

    The A57 will not get AF adjust.  Sony, like Canon and Nikon, differentiate their products by function.  If they didn't then nobody would buy higher cost cameras.


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  • silawre 47 billets depuis
    Dec 13, 2011
    Rédigée le May 14, 2012 5:17 PM

    I'm not sure watch you are trying to say at all, your comments make no sense whats so ever!  However you are wrong on one point it looks like the a77 will be getting another update in 2013.

     

    I am sure Sony will be sorry to see you jump ship and the canon or Nikon forums will welcome your constructive comments.  Remember the grass always looks green on the other side of the fence ;-).

     

    Si


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  • fotowolf61 55 billets depuis
    Jul 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 15, 2012 7:17 AM

    gimp69 schrieb:

     

    High ISO noise is only a problem if you don't know how to use RAW.  I guess you don't shoot RAW.

    I dont know whom you adress here, but for myself I use RAW on A850 only and use most of the time RAW on A77. More often I use JPG on A77 if the pictures are not "critical". JPG OOC has improved a lot compared to A850. The problem of high ISO are the denoising artefacts introduced by the algorithms!

     

    The current A77 jpeg engine produce a lot of denoising artefacts, which make jpegs hard to use OOC higher than ISO 1600 and enlargments to A4 and bigger. There has been introduced a minor improvemnt between FW 1.04 and FW 1.05 . Any further improvment here is welcome. Although shooting is RAW is always an option but more time consuming in postprocessing.

     

    Are there any plans to improve this further?

     

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  • fotowolf61 55 billets depuis
    Jul 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 15, 2012 7:20 AM

    gimp69 schrieb:

     

    The A57 will not get AF adjust.  Sony, like Canon and Nikon, differentiate their products by function.  If they didn't then nobody would buy higher cost cameras.

    There is nothing wrong on differentiating the products. But AF adjustment is necessary like changing aperture and speed because of production. Non of the lenses are as accurate as they should, if this feature is omitted.

    Each of the camera bodies or lenses have minor deviations, which make it necessary to micro adjust AF for higher quality pictures. Canon and Nikon have realized that this feature is important and for the they put it also in the midrange models and not only into the pro models.

     

    I understand to cut down features or add features into the camera FW, that are nice to have or could be done with post processing. But micro AF adjustment is not such kind of feature.

     

    BTW, the A57 has already more functions than the top model A77 . Do you recommend to switch to the lower model now or do you think there will be an upgrade to A77 firmware to bring this improvements to the A77? (I am referring here to the option to change the behavior of the movie-recording button. I talk about the viewfinder magnification mode, which is very helpfull for users who wear eyglasses. I talk about the improved zoom functionality. I talk about the better responsiveness of the UI of this model compared to the A77. I talk about the improved object tracking algorithms that have been introduced accoring to Sony advertisement. Just to name a few of the FW improvments missing in the top model )

     

    I am happy to see that Sony reacts on customer complaints, but it seems that these fixes are only introduced into the next model, not the current ones.

     

    How long do A77 users have to wait, till they get this long time requested improvments into their top model?

     

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  • gimp69 80 billets depuis
    May 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 21, 2012 1:30 PM

    Not you.


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  • gimp69 80 billets depuis
    May 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 21, 2012 1:32 PM

    Nikon and Canon don't put AF adjustment in similarly priced models to the A5x series.  You have to get the D7000 for AF adjustment.

     

    Like I said, Nikon and Canon use AF adjustment as a model differentiator, just like your complaint about Sony.


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  • fotowolf61 55 billets depuis
    Jul 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 21, 2012 3:55 PM

    gimp69 schrieb:

     

    Nikon and Canon don't put AF adjustment in similarly priced models to the A5x series.  You have to get the D7000 for AF adjustment.

     

    Like I said, Nikon and Canon use AF adjustment as a model differentiator, just like your complaint about Sony.

    This is true, though Canon started offering microAF with the 50D and you find it now in 60D 7D APS-C class bodies. Nikon is offering this feature on D7000, D300 and D300S APS-C class.

     

    To open up this feature on A57 and A65 would be a another nice differentiation against competition, as it improves the camera value for the user.


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  • fotowolf61 55 billets depuis
    Jul 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 21, 2012 3:57 PM

    gimp69 schrieb:

     

    Not you.

    sorry I don't understand your comment. To whom do you answer here? Citation would help the readability


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  • gimp69 80 billets depuis
    May 16, 2011
    Rédigée le May 23, 2012 12:12 PM

    As I said NOT YOU.


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